Legislature(2019 - 2020)DAVIS 106

02/18/2020 08:00 AM House TRIBAL AFFAIRS

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08:05:50 AM Start
08:06:35 AM HB221
08:44:35 AM Presentation: Alaska Tribal Child Welfare Compact
09:15:10 AM HB221
09:56:57 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Presentation: Alaska Tribal Child Welfare Compact TELECONFERENCED
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 221 STATE RECOGNITION OF TRIBES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 221(TRB) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony --
               HB 221-STATE RECOGNITION OF TRIBES                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:06:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY announced  that the first order  of business would                                                               
be HOUSE  BILL NO. 221,  "An Act providing for  state recognition                                                               
of federally  recognized tribes;  and providing for  an effective                                                               
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:06:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY announced there was  an amendment to be considered                                                               
and that she would entertain a motion to amend HB 221.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:06:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON  moved to adopt [Amendment  1], labeled 31-                                                               
LS1321|U.2, Caouette, 2/17/20, which read as follows:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, following line 3:                                                                                                  
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
        "* Section  1. The  uncodified law  of the  State of                                                                
     Alaska is amended by adding a new section to read:                                                                         
          LEGISLATIVE FINDINGS AND INTENT. (a) The history                                                                      
     of tribes in  the state predates the  United States and                                                                    
     predates  territorial claims  to land  in the  state by                                                                    
     both the United States  and Imperial Russia. Indigenous                                                                    
     people have  inhabited land in  the state  for multiple                                                                    
     millennia,  since  time  immemorial or  before  mankind                                                                    
     marked the passage of time.                                                                                                
          (b)  It is the intent of the legislature to                                                                           
     exercise   the  legislature's   constitutional  policy-                                                                    
     making   authority  and   acknowledge  through   formal                                                                    
     recognition  the  federally  recognized tribes  in  the                                                                    
     state."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "Section 1"                                                                                                  
          Insert "Sec. 2"                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:06:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ objected  to the motion, for  the purpose of                                                               
discussion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:07:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON  said that the  purpose of Amendment  1 was                                                               
to add uncodified  language into HB 221 to give  more context and                                                               
definition, and  to put  into state  law recognition  that tribes                                                               
have  been in  Alaska  and  in the  U.S.  since time  immemorial.                                                               
Representative Edgmon added that HB 221,  of which he is a strong                                                               
supporter, would be strengthened  with the addition of uncodified                                                               
language.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:07:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP  said  that  he   was  in  full  support  of                                                               
Amendment 1 and that it adequately reflected legislative intent.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:08:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ withdrew his objection.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:08:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY  announced that there being  no further objection,                                                               
Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ZULKOSKY  announced that  the  committee  would return  to                                                               
public testimony  on HB  221 [opened  during the  prior committee                                                               
meeting on 2/13/20].                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:09:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAULETTE  MORENO,  Grand  President,  Alaska  Native  Sisterhood,                                                               
imparted to  the committee that  "recognition or what  is defined                                                               
as recognition changes," but that  [Alaska Natives] never stopped                                                               
knowing  who they  were  as a  people.   She  added that  [Alaska                                                               
Natives] have  done their  part, and have  met [the  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature] more than  halfway.  Ms. Moreno  urged the committee                                                               
to support HB 221.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:12:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HEATHER GURKO,  Grand President, Alaska Native  Brotherhood, told                                                               
the committee that future generations  were watching [to see what                                                               
happened with  HB 221].  She  added that HB 221  would let elders                                                               
and future generations alike know that they matter.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:14:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LIZ   MEDICINE  CROW,   First   Alaskans   Institute,  began   by                                                               
acknowledging  that HB  221 has  come  at a  "critical time"  for                                                               
Alaska.   She imparted that  it is  one thing to  acknowledge the                                                               
past,  and another  to  do something  about it.    She added  her                                                               
support  for  Amendment 1,  mentioning  that  there is  no  doubt                                                               
tribes have been  [in Alaska] since time immemorial.   What is in                                                               
doubt is the  willingness and the good faith effort  of Alaska to                                                               
engage in meaningful  government-to-government relationships with                                                               
tribal governments in Alaska.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:19:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BETTY JO  MOORE, Alaska Native  Sisterhood, stated that  she does                                                               
not support HB  221 on the basis of tribes'  exemption from Title                                                               
VII of the Civil Rights Act  [of 1964], which allows horrific and                                                               
damaging  discrimination   to  an  individual  within   a  tribal                                                               
government, Ms.  Moore put  forth, adding that  HB 221  "does not                                                               
provide a  road map  for healing,  wholeness and  restoration for                                                               
all  Alaska's people  and communities."   Tribal  governments are                                                               
not sovereign,  she continued, but  dependent on tax  dollars and                                                               
the U.S. political system.   Sovereignty is nation to nation, not                                                               
nation to state, she added,  so when a tribal government violates                                                               
its  own  constitution,  ordinances,  policies,  and  procedures,                                                               
claiming that "because  of sovereignty they can  do whatever they                                                               
want," they  are wrong.   Ms.  Moore urged  the committee  to "go                                                               
back"  and  make  amendments  and  laws  to  protect  all  tribal                                                               
citizens within government organizations.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:22:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NICOLE  BORROMEO,   Executive  Vice   President/General  Counsel,                                                               
Alaska Federation of  Natives, pointed out that HB  221 would not                                                               
only provide  the legal foundation  to move forward at  the state                                                               
level,  but  would  leverage  tribal  resources.    Ms.  Borromeo                                                               
referenced  Ms. Moore's  comments  and said  that  she wished  to                                                               
explain  for  the  record tribal  sovereignty/immunity  and  what                                                               
those terms  mean to  tribes in  Alaska and across  the U.S.   In                                                               
exercising  their right  to be  sovereign, she  continued, tribes                                                               
are asking for self-determination and  self-governance.  The Bill                                                               
of  Rights extends  to every  citizen including  tribal citizens,                                                               
she  continued, so  a  tribe cannot  violate  its members'  civil                                                               
rights   that  are   guaranteed  to   all  Americans   under  the                                                               
Constitution.   Because  tribes  are sovereign,  they  do get  to                                                               
determine and define their membership, she added.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:25:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EBON PETER  said that he  believes that  HB 221 is  "just another                                                               
step in  the right  direction," and that  having the  respect and                                                               
understanding of  indigenous nations  within Alaska  everyone can                                                               
work together.   He said  that he doesn't believe  any government                                                               
is perfect, but that "we are all on a path toward healing."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:27:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FAYE EWAN  informed the committee that  she is very happy  HB 221                                                               
is  under consideration  because  [Native Alaskans']  traditional                                                               
way of life is being threatened.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:30:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARY  BISHOP mentioned  a  [2017] lawsuit  in  which the  Douglas                                                               
Indian  Association tried  to sue  Tlingit &  Haida and  "learned                                                               
from [the  Alaska Supreme  Court] that they  could not  do that,"                                                               
and that  the dispute  must instead be  settled in  tribal court.                                                               
Ms. Bishop  told the  committee that there  is a  tremendous need                                                               
for understanding  of "Indian Country"  law; what it is  and what                                                               
it  isn't.   Sovereignty means  that tribes  have authority  over                                                               
their  membership and  relationships  between  their members;  it                                                               
also  means  they have  immunity  from  [lawsuit] for  breach  of                                                               
contract,  Ms. Bishop  added.    She then  stated  that what  she                                                               
thinks  tribes could,  and must,  do,  is to  do something  about                                                               
sexual  assault and  domestic  violence  between tribal  members.                                                               
She summarized  by adding that  tribes should not  only recognize                                                               
the  benefits,   but  also   shoulder  the   responsibilities  of                                                               
sovereignty.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:35:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KARLA  SHEPARD  imparted to  the  committee  that she  had  brain                                                               
surgery  "for nothing"  because of  tribal health.   Ms.  Shepard                                                               
surmised that  being a corporation  shareholder is  irrelevant if                                                               
one is  not a tribal  member, and  that the majority  of Alaskans                                                               
did not understand where their  rights to medical care came from.                                                               
She added  that because of  "illegal activity being  conducted by                                                               
tribes" her  family members had not  been seen by doctors  at the                                                               
Alaska Tribal Health Consortium.   Medical care, according to Ms.                                                               
Shepard, is  not being given  to patients, and the  consortium is                                                               
to blame for several of  her personal health problems including a                                                               
brain tumor.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:37:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHERYL BOWIE  told the committee  that she, too,  was "personally                                                               
paying the  price for physicians' mistakes."   Organizations hold                                                               
considerable power over communities.   Ms. Bowie added that there                                                               
is a need for accountability,  uniformity, and reciprocity in the                                                               
law to  establish a uniform  set of  laws between the  tribes and                                                               
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:41:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:41 a.m. to 8:42 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:42:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY  announced that the  committee would hold  HB 221,                                                               
as amended, until the completion of a presentation.                                                                             
               HB 221-STATE RECOGNITION OF TRIBES                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:15:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY announced  that the final order  of business would                                                               
be a  return to HOUSE BILL  NO. 221, "An Act  providing for state                                                               
recognition of federally recognized  tribes; and providing for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY returned to public testimony.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:15:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERTA  MOTO  stated that  when  communities  are empowered  and                                                               
given the tools  to solve problems, results  are more sustainable                                                               
and create long-term change.   She explained that village leaders                                                               
used to be the peacekeepers  and restore justice in villages, but                                                               
through the  erosion of tribal  powers there  has been a  rise in                                                               
social  problems in  villages.   Tribes  should  be empowered  to                                                               
prevent  adverse childhood  experience and  even health  problems                                                               
such as heart disease, she opined.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:19:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BOB SAM, a sixty-six-year resident  of Alaska and tribal citizen,                                                               
told the  committee he believes  lives of future  generations are                                                               
improved when decisions are made together as a people.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:24:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOEL  JACKSON, President,  Organized  Village of  Kake, told  the                                                               
committee that giving  up even part of sovereignty  "was never an                                                               
option."   He said that  state recognition  of tribes would  be a                                                               
lot better than the current state of discord.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:27:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAWN  JACKSON, Executive  Director,  Organized  Village of  Kake,                                                               
recommended  to  the   committee  a  uniform  set   of  laws  and                                                               
procedures  be implemented  so that  daily collaboration  between                                                               
tribes  and  local,  state,  and   federal  governments  can  run                                                               
smoothly.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:30:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  JACKSON,  Chief  Justice and  Director  of  Transportation,                                                               
Organized  Village  of  Kake,  echoed  Mr.  Sam's  comments  that                                                               
through "love, respect, and forgiveness"  communities can be made                                                               
stronger.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:34:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHARLOTTE LARUE  pointed out that  there is a discrepancy  in the                                                               
state's  celebration  of  Native  art whilst  not  giving  proper                                                               
recognition to the cultures from which that art has come.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:36:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NIKKI  POLLOCK  used the  "pie"  analogy  with regard  to  tribal                                                               
recognition:   recognition of tribes  by the state does  not mean                                                               
less rights for the state.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:39:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARY ANN  MILLS, Council Member,  Kenaitze Indian Tribe,  let the                                                               
committee  know that  state recognition  would  allow for  better                                                               
care of tribal members within her community.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:43:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BERNADINE ATCHISON,  Vice Chair,  Kenaitze Indian Tribe,  let the                                                               
committee know that the Kenaitze  Indian Tribe turns away funding                                                               
they could use  because of requests to  waive sovereign immunity,                                                               
which she feels strongly they should not have to do.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:45:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY closed public testimony on HB 221.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:45:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP  brought attention  to Section  4 of  HB 221,                                                               
"Recognition of tribes":                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The   state   recognizes   the   special   and   unique                                                                    
     relationship  that  the  United States  government  has                                                                    
     with  federally  recognized   tribes  and  specifically                                                                    
     recognizes the  relationship between the  United States                                                                    
     government  and  federally  recognized  tribes  in  the                                                                    
     state.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP noted again  the importance of recognition in                                                               
Alaska, with it being home to so many tribes.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:49:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO  said that  he understands the  "need and                                                               
desire  folks have,"  but believes  there will  still exist  some                                                               
"jurisdictional questions."   He  added that he  believes through                                                               
the Child  Welfare Compact,  Alaska has  started down  a "pathway                                                               
for some good cooperation."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:51:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE asked what, if  anything, HB 221 would do in                                                               
terms of sovereign immunity.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:52:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY stated  that she would like  concerns around trust                                                               
obligations and  jurisdictional issues  to be addressed,  and she                                                               
believes HB 221  is a step in the right  direction.  She reminded                                                               
the  committee of  an  invited  testifier who  had  replied to  a                                                               
question of  what was  needed in terms  of mutual  respect moving                                                               
forward:  visibility and acknowledgement.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:56:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON moved to report  HB 221, as amended, out of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal  notes.   There  being  no  objection, CSHB  221(TRB)  was                                                               
reported out of the House Special Committee on Tribal Affairs.                                                                  

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 221 Fiscal Note 2.8.2020.pdf HTRB 2/18/2020 8:00:00 AM
HB 221
HB 221 Statement Letter from ANB and ANS.pdf HTRB 2/18/2020 8:00:00 AM
HB 221
HB0221A.PDF HTRB 2/18/2020 8:00:00 AM
HB 221
HB221 Sponsor Statement 2.4.2020.pdf HTRB 2/18/2020 8:00:00 AM
HB 221
Link to State Compacting Video FEJ.pdf HTRB 2/18/2020 8:00:00 AM
Tribal Child Welfare Compact Presentation.pdf HTRB 2/18/2020 8:00:00 AM
TSCG Overview Accomplishments Efforts November 2016.pdf HTRB 2/18/2020 8:00:00 AM
Public Testimony received 2-18.pdf HTRB 2/18/2020 8:00:00 AM